THIS IS PART TWO OF FOUR. In Part 1, I lay out the more firm evidence base the below conclusions are based on. Part 3 is actually an appendix to the first two (see the * below) that explains the evolution of one of the theories in this document for aspiring tinfoilers. Part 4 was written a year later, and covers much of what really happened.
(NOTE: This was written prior to the discovery of the Drifters)
By the end of the first post, I had laid out the following evidence based on CCP statements and official lore sources, most in-game, for a likelihood that the Sleepers have:
- A serious need for massive power to support their way of living and travelling
- A highly expert society whose favored method of powering structures is solar
- Access to solar power from both a Dyson Sphere and Sleeper structures
- A feasible interstellar transport mechanism via Talocan structures
- A targeting system for that transport mechanism
- A travel fuel source with massive power, Isogen-5, which is harvested from O1 and B0 class stars, and upon explosion could peel off their outer solar layer (rendering them A0 class), shatter planets and open wormholes
- A major mining, enrichment, processing and storage facility network for Isogen-5
Fair warning that the below is totally tinfoil, based on the previous facts and educated guesses. Also a reminder that all of this should be treated as highly out-of-character information.
I’ve had most of that first post in my head since I wrote my recent story for Pod & Planet, which required me to do some research in Templar One a couple of months ago. But something about it nagged at me and I decided not to post it in the run-up to Rhea because most of it has been guessed at before … and I couldn’t find the “so what?” But then Rhea launched and one bit of evidence suddenly made it all click for me.
The Missing Link – Epicenters
I spent almost a month mostly on the Singularity (SiSi) test server exploring Thera and other places prior to the launch of Rhea. The Epicenter in Thera was cool and suggested some things on its own, but something bothered me about Thera. Why would all the systems CCP was releasing be entirely shattered planets, yet in Thera only the first 9 were shattered … the rest were normal?*
Even at this point, what that suggested to me is that Thera could not be Caroline’s Star. An explosion of Caroline’s magintude would have destroyed all the planets, not just the first nine (actually #3 through #9, since #1 and #2 were already destroyed when the SoE moved in). But despite this, the name “Epicenter” suggested that Thera’s sun was at the core of the explosion…
Epicenter: a point, directly above the true center of disturbance, from which the shock waves … apparently radiate.
Then Rhea launched and it quickly became apparent that I was thinking all wrong. There was an Epicenter in every shattered wormhole. This changed everything. 101 Epicenters meant that my original idea, that Thera could not be the center, now made sense. Instead of Thera having to explain everything and sit in the center of the story, Thera suddenly became the shiniest outlier – just one piece of collateral damage among many. This, combined with a “look for something big” tweet from CCP Fozzie, made me run to my keyboard midday and ask everyone to look for a Dyson Sphere.
But if that was the case, why did every one of these stars have no less than twelve Talocan Static Gates, all bound with a Disruption Tower in ways we had never seen before, suggesting an “industrial strength” Gate? Why was the Epicenter site practically on top of the star in each system? That would take a little research.
The Science – Stellar Chemistry and Physics
And then CCP came out and stated that Caroline’s Star was in fact the star of W477-P in Jove space. While listed as a “Red Giant” in text, this star is not in fact a Red Giant (which would be something like a M3 III) but if you look at the star in Dotlan, it is a K5 V, or an Orange/Red Main Sequence star. This in fact fits with the color of Caroline’s star, a bright orange.
Let’s take a quick look at the star types involved. O1 and B0, in the lore, can have Isogen-5 harvested. A0 stars are either natural or the post-collapse version of the previous two (that doesn’t match nature, blame Isogen-5 for having some kind of conversion effect). The Stellar Classification article at Wikipedia is a good source, and provides some quick facts.
- O1 – Class O stars are very hot, very large, and very bright. The bulk of their chemical makeup is hydrogen, followed by helium, followed by some heavier elements like silicon, oxygen, nitrogen and carbon. Class O main sequence stars tend to burn through their hydrogen very quickly. Another interesting fact: as the most massive class of stars, Class O are also the most likely to collapse into Wolf-Rayets … like the frigate shattered wormholes.
- B0 – Class B stars are very luminous and blue. They are primarily helium burners, with some hydrogen and a lesser amount of metals like magnesium and silicon. They are the next step down from Class O in size, still much larger than most stars, and also burn through fuel quickly.
- A0 – Class A stars are white or bluish-white, smaller but still large in relative terms. They are primarily made up of hydrogen and metals like iron, magnesium and silicon.
- K5 – Class K, also referred to as an orange dwarf, is actually smaller than our sun, and cooler. K stars primarily show makeup as being largely of metals like iron, magnesium and silicon.
So what is the story within the data, as related back to the stars of New Eden? The blue stars are burning hydrogen & helium, while the red ones have burned most of that away and are much cooler. So it is likely that in an explosion, we have seen Isogen-5 seem to pull away coronal mass that appears likely to be hydrogen, helium, or a mix of both.
The Star – W477-P
As noted above, due to the CONCORD statement, we now know definitively that the explosion came from the K5 V red main sequence star W477-P. This is the true epicenter (of the Epicenters). We can also guess that since it is tagged as a Red Giant (even though it is not currently one) it would likely evolve along the Red Giant path. This is literally an evolutionary path as shown in the orange line on the diagram (compare to the other diagram above). What happens is this:
The star reaches the main sequence when the core reaches a temperature high enough to begin fusing hydrogen … and establishes hydrostatic equilibrium. Over its main sequence life, the star slowly converts the hydrogen in the core into helium; its main-sequence life ends when nearly all the hydrogen in the core has been fused. … When the star exhausts the hydrogen fuel in its core, nuclear reactions can no longer continue and so the core begins to contract due to its own gravity. This brings additional hydrogen into a zone where the temperature and pressure are adequate to cause fusion to resume in a shell around the core. The higher temperatures lead to increasing reaction rates, enough to increase the star’s luminosity by a factor of 1,000–10,000. The outer layers of the star then expand greatly, thus beginning the red-giant phase of the star’s life. As the star expands, the energy produced in the burning shell of the star is spread over a much larger surface area, resulting in a lower surface temperature and a shift in the star’s visible light output towards the red – hence it becomes a red giant. In actuality, though the color usually is orange.
– Wikipedia, Red Giant
TLDR: When the star burns out all its hydrogen, it starts to collapse until it gets hot enough to burn helium. And when it starts to burn helium, it expands massively – the helium fusion is what causes the expansion.
Now imagine that your highly advanced society has found this nice Class K star (known to be stable on the main sequence for a very long time (15 to 30 billion years, compared to 10 billion for the Sun)) and decided it would be the perfect type of star for a Dyson Sphere. So you build it and live happily for some time.
Then something happens. Either an experiment gone wrong, a tweak too far … maybe that event causes the first one (or two) of the shattered planets. But long story short, you come to the realization that your society and your powergrid and likely your very existence, dependent on this Dyson Sphere to continue, is about to fail hydrostatic equilibrium and begin collapsing toward the helium burn phase.
As a race with the ability to open gates to distant stars, and strip the outer layer of stars, what would you do? Why, you’d get some more hydrogen, of course.
You’d strip mine other stars.
With control over the quantities and capabilities and flow rates of Isogen-5, you could do just that. You would set up a mining colony right by the star, throw up some massive static gates, and start a controlled Isogen-5 reaction to open a rift. The Isogen-5 would pull the solar material from the blue star to the rift, it would pass through to the rift by your red star, and leveraging a reverse process with the Isogen-5 and a little gravity, the extra hydrogen would be sent down to refuel your red star, keeping it going at as close as you can mange to status quo.
And with that the stage is set. A Dyson Sphere around a red star being actively maintained by sucking the hydrogen off other stars. The tricky part, of course, is that Isogen-5 is unstable. So there would need to be a cache at each star being mined, and a cache inside the Dyson Sphere. Further, there would likely be massive batteries attached to the Dyson Sphere itself, holding power to manage the fluctuations that would be caused by the management of that star.
Now we’re just missing one thing: Sansha.
The Hypothesis – Reactor Meltdown
Neither captain knew that the immense stock of isogen-5 which detonated before their eyes was entangled with numerous stockpiles in even greater quantities, assembled for a very specific purpose, and deliberately scattered throughout the New Eden cluster and beyond.
Nor could they know that the ancient race which had placed them there possessed not only a vision beyond the grasp of today’s science, but also the technological advancement necessary to realize its potential.
But all tools, no matter how simple or complex, possess a duality of purpose. Fire can provide life-giving warmth, or can burn the flesh from the bone.
So here’s my hypothetical scenario, based on all you’ve read (and a bit you’ll get in the next post). I’m sure some – maybe all – of it will be wrong. But let’s take a shot.
As the Incursion age begins, Sansha and his minions begin fighting with the Sleepers in what will eventually become some of the shattered wormholes. This war starts with the takeover of just one system: J005299 (we may find others – there are more than one Incursion going most days, after all). Sansha begins to solidify his hold on things in that system, and then begins to study the Talocan Static Gates. His engineers are unable to duplicate the technology, but as experts in overriding things themselves, they do figure out a way to override the gates and make them point where they want them – at least for a period of time. He doesn’t much understand the Isogen-5 itself, except to know that it’s the fuel for his Incursions. But after four years of Incursions with no one to mine new fuel for him, he’s got to start thinking about how to get more himself. So he starts attacking the Sleepers in other places as well.
Meanwhile, the Sleepers and/or Jovians were getting tired of Sansha locking down an important mining colony, and when Sansha’s Nation begins to spread, they have had enough and stage a counterattack.
In J005299, the showdown goes wrong. The Sleepers/Jove begin to attack the Sansha station. Or they find a way to start destroying or disabling the implants that make the True Slaves compliant. Or they threaten the destruction or capture of Kuvakei himself. For whatever reason, the Sansha shoot the remaining Isogen-5 stockpile in J005299.
This event will now make the Seyllin Incident look like a garden party.
Entangled, the explosion in J005299 ignites the Isogen-5 in 100 other systems as well. This in turn opens uncontrolled, unmoderated wormholes … most or all of them pointing directly back at either other now-shattered systems or worse, to the Dyson Sphere world, W477-P.
With the proverbial “giant sucking sound”, 100 blue giant stars have their outer layers pulled forcibly from them in one massive event, and those outer layers are piped directly through the open wormholes and static gates … and directly into the center of the Dyson Sphere. It wouldn’t take long for little K5 W477-P to reach critical mass, fed by the superheated hydrogen of 100 stars, and explode in spectacular fashion.
This explosion would have no resistance during the start of the event as the stellar material bled at speed through the opening in the Dyson Sphere described in Templar One. The Sleeper nanomaterials are described as incredibly heat resistant:
Lanthanum Metallofullerene: This fullerene-lanthanum compound is made by encasing a single lanthanum atom in a cage of carbon atoms. The incredibly high melting point of lanthanum compounds make them ideal for the construction of offensive hardpoints, where heat dissipation is critical to keeping weapons systems operating effectively.
Carbon-86 Epoxy Resin: C-86 epoxy resin is most commonly applied as a thin film to the structures housing propulsion systems. The tremendous flame-retardant properties of materials covered in the resin help prevent heat buildup and minimize onboard fires.
While they wouldn’t hold forever, just through part of the accretion phase – and certainly not through the actual explosion – the materials likely would have held for long enough to contain some of this for a short time. Meanwhile, the material blasting through the gap would create an inital flat shockwave – a true praxis effect that would otherwise be highly unlikely, creating a flat cloud of material rather than a spherical one. Like Caroline’s Star has.
When the Dyson Sphere fails, so does its massive Isogen-5 stockpile. And all the stored battery power. And that shockwave is enough to crush all the material inward, focusing the concussion and sparking the supernova. Caroline’s Star is born. The shockwave blows all the remaining unsustainable material out in a second wave.
But it’s not done yet. Back through the open wormholes goes the material and the shockwave, out not only through normal space but through the wormholes, blasting 70 AU or more out from each Epicenter, and roasting the Sisters of EVE in their hidey-hole.
Want to find out (at least part of) the truth of the matter? Check out Part 4.
* How I finally came to explain why there were nine shattered planets in Thera was a long and tortuous story of its own, that has evolved right up to the point I am writing this post. That journey is the subject of Part 3.
For what it’s worth? I started reading this, got one para-in, and said: Oh shit. They were /mining/ Iso-5….
Your scenario also allays fears that the shockwave from Caroline’s Star is going to slam into New Eden. Since it’s shockwave is FTL, and we’re seeing the light from the star just now, the shockwave has already passed us by if it was going to hit. Since we’re seeing it progressing from the star, however, rather than starting with us, I suspect the shockwave wasn’t strong enough when it passed New Eden to be significant against background noise.
Furthermore, the Praxis Effect, I suspect (though I’m not a physicist) could be an illusion: We could only be seeing the light from the aspects of the explosion that are nearest us, first. I notice that the ‘praxis wave’ has it’s own halo going on, and if that halo gets bigger, then I suspect that we’re experiencing a relativistic distortion.
I don’t think the shockwave itself is superluminal (FTL) but the light that is emanated and makes it visible is.
My take on the superluminal bit is that it’s a CCP handwave because the game need of getting everyone excited overrides the need for physics accuracy. I explain it in my head as an artifact somehow of camera drones interpreting what must be there based on gamma rays. Or something.
That is entirely possible and suspension of disbelief is a key element of science fiction. Superluminal photons are theoretically possible though as I have mentioned earlier elsewhere: http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/28606
Just so we’re clear, you’re talking about light moving faster than light. 😉 I mean, #ArtDepartment and all, but…
Julianus Soter suggested that the event itself is expanding @10AU/sec.
The other option I considered rather than a Praxis Effect was a Relativistic Jet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysical_jet#Relativistic_jet
However, that didn’t seem to fit what I saw, and a black hole in EVE is a weird thing anyway, since it can literally be in-system. So I stepped away from the black hole collapse theory, although it could still be found true. Having that as a system effect in the W477-P when we find it would make some degree of sense.
Nono, I agree that it’s a Praxis Effect, but my point is this: if you’re moving towards me at FTL speeds, I see nothing, because the light bouncing off of you arrives long after you do. So what I see as you drop to subluminal speeds is the image of you piled atop the image of you, etc, with the last moments of that trip blue-shifted to all hell. (They arrive to me first, because the rest of the images of your travel are behind it. You’re creating reflected light for the latter half of your trip in /front/ of the light reflected off the earlier part of your trip.*
Now consider the case of a sphere expanding out in the distance. It may appear to me as a Praxis Effect, even though it’s a sphere, because the light from the nearest portions of the sphere will arrive first, and I imagine the shockwave and it’s light are steered by the gravity of stellar clusters, etc.
I’m talking entirely out of my ass, here. I’m a policy researcher, not a physicist, but in the event of an /actual/ FTL shockwave, you wouldn’t receive light from it, and the expanding front of particles, in the conventional manner. Light would arrive to you in a disjointed manner. That’s what I meant by relativistic distortion. The simplest example of an effect like this is two ships at opposite ends of a star system. With a clear line of sight, they can see each other, but what they see isn’t the ship’s position in that moment, but rather the position of the ship N minutes ago, where N is their distance in light minutes. E.g. if I’m in orbit around Earth, and you’re around Mars? We’re about 4 light minutes apart. When the light from you, reaches me, you’re somewhere else, have been for four minutes.
We would be having that effect with Caroline’s star, only complicated by the fact that we’d receive light from the event based upon the distance to whatever part of it is reflecting light, at the moment that it reflects the light.
I actually expect, IRL, the explosion would appear to happen in reverse, but IRL we’re pretty positive nothing can exceed the speed of light. EVE Spaceships, btw, do not exceed the speed of light: they use warp drives to bend space and essentially change the distance they travel, while simply flying at whatever their flank speed is.
Actually collapse of a new stellar mass black hole fits better. there is nothing to say that a black hole cant be in a star system. They aren’t strange vacuums of space. they have the gravitational pull of anything else of their mass. that is why, for instance, the idea of creating one in the LHC that is a few hundred protons in mass shouldn’t be worrying anyone. In that case hawking radiation would be very hot in black body terms and the thing evaporates before it can suck anything else in because the even horizon would be much small than a single atom, and compared to the three other forces gravity is very weak. It is able to be “felt” at greater distances at times, but in the grand scheme of things it isn’t that strong.
I think the explanation misses something of the physics of sending matter into a gravity well like a star. The star was likely spinning at great speed due to the angular momentum of getting hydrogen dumped into it over a long length of time. This in and of itself isn’t bad. fast spinning stars exist in our galaxy, and trying to control the input precisely enough to negate this would be technologically hard, and not needed. (fast spinning star in main phase of life isn’t going to do much)
Add to that the idea of an overdrive of matter falling into the star and you could rapidly increase, not only the rotation, but the mass to the point where the center can fuse lighter elements into Iron. Iron is the real death knell of the star, as any fusion reactions that it could undergo are endothermic and therefore no longer provide buoyancy against gravity. At this point once enough iron is in the core of the star it collapses once the weak and strong nuclear forces lose out against its own gravity.
That collapse liberates tremendous amounts of gravitational potential energy as kinetic and thermal energy, because the rest of the star starts falling in too. If you have a fast spinning star much of the equatorial regions (that are moving the fastest relative to the center) would resist falling because of angular momentum, however nearer the poles where there is little to no angular momentum the story is different and they free fall.
This is why you see relativistic beaming, and Gama Ray Bursts (GRB) as focused events in a hyper nova. It isn’t that the thermal energy from the converted gravitational potential energy being produced at the center isn’t trying to escape everywhere, but that the stars spin means that only near the poles is there a relatively clear path for it to follow, and is also why the stellar cloud remains can form disk or doughnut shapes as we see them. the matter with less rotational energy at the relative top and bottom of the star goes into producing the energy of the explosion, is beamed at relativistic speeds back the way it came, and or falls into the black hole, while the explosion pushes the middle of the star out, forming the nebula.
Sorry for this being a bit long (and not even getting into not needing the dyson sphere to look the way it did because of the theoretical ways to make one) but science nerd came out three days ago and hasn’t shut up since
Great stuff! I am an amateur astronomer at best so I’m always interested in learning more. I think you’ve got some great points here. Honestly I thought the “gap” explanation was a bit weak, so if we can double down on it with what you’re saying here, that’s all the better.
I think the key here if they were in fact funnelling hydrogen was to keep the star in balance – creating more helium slowly rather than hitting a helium flash due to mass collapse. I also toyed around a lot with a Type Ia supernova, triggered much like a white dwarf overloaded by a companion star – or in this case 101 companion stars. Given the huge amount of additional mass, I think that any black hole here would be very massive, and very dangerous indeed.
another masterpiece Rhavas but I have some doubts , whether this is true. If yes , than people in CCP working on Lore are geniuses, and EvE has one of a hell of the story … , That extract from Chronicle was a blast , it fitted perfectly . But there is a slight chance of misinterpretation. It is possible that CCP only make some star explode due to error. I want to believe that this is a continuous story arc, but i simply do not believe in CCP loremasters too much. I really hope that im wrong. Anyway this is absolutely superb work and perfect theory. Best thing which ccp could make is employ you as a loremaster and Story arc creator 🙂 .
Hmm , is this theory in accordance with quarantine theory of WH-space ? (anoikis , quarantine area , the Other and so on)
Thanks – absolutely this is tinfoil, so your mileage may vary. I could be close, I could be way off base – watch for the Appendix (I’ll post it in the next couple hours) which will show how these ideas evolve – and sometimes how they’re broken.
I do think that some of the stuff is :CCP: – the star part is especially a bit shaky. In theory, the O1 and B0 stars should leak helium and retain hydrogen in order to devolve to A0, but I suspect CCP at the time of Seyllin didn’t do that homework and just went from “large” to “small” not understanding the chemical differences.
The quarantines are still a mystery. One theory I have is that it wasn’t medical quarantine, it was some sort of radiation or preparatory quarantine. I touch on The Other a bit in my response to Samsara below.
I’ve had this happen on multiple occasions running tabletop RPGs. I’d throw out some vague hints and prophecies to the players and get back all kinds of connections and suppositions that are a lot more thought out and interesting than I could ever think up on my own.
This is the point where the GM plays out the best of those ideas and then claims credit as a storytelling genius.
“This is the point where the GM plays out the best of those ideas and then claims credit as a storytelling genius.”
First: Very interesting report, nice to read!
“As a race with the ability to open gates to distant stars, and strip the outer layer of stars, what would you do? Why, you’d get some more hydrogen, of course.”
Hm… instead of dealing with highly unstable Isogen-5 in 100+ systems just to keep me alive I would maybe build a second Dyson Sphere? It feels strange that a highly advanced race wouldn’t have redundant systems. It’s like Japan would depend close to 100% on nuclear power… oh… wait.
Do we really know (IC or OOC) if those 100 shattered wormholes went shattered recently, all together? We do know something happened in Thera and new wormhole connections appeared… but maybe those 100 Isogen-5 mines were lost during the Seyllin incident? That way Sleepers wouldn’t be in a recent emergency situation. I’m missing panic driven activities. While the Sleeper may survive the end of their VR and cryostasis (like we survive server DT) – what about ‘The Other’? Either they all died by surprise… or it is way to quiet (by CCP ) to be a real emergency.
On a side note: W477-P is labeled “Security Level: 0.0” – IF we can reach this system we would need to poke our heads through all “leads to null security space” wormholes, wouldn’t we?
I’ll admit that the weakest part of the argument is – why would they pull from other stars? I have two possible answers. First, it could be that I’m missing what they are really pulling and there is another link here. But the proposition of “sun mining” fits the evidence better than anything else. Or second, it could be that I’m right and that the O1 to A0 transformation weirdnesses (see my response to John above) were just messed up by CCP not doing the chemistry homework 5-6 years ago.
My theory on why they wouldn’t build a second Dyson Sphere is one of economics and materials. One of the big arguments against Dyson Spheres is that they simply would take so much material that no one could ever build one without running out of materials. I think I saw an estimate that if we used all the matter in the planets to build one around Sol, we would have a shell 13cm thick. So it probably required them raiding multiple star systems for materials, and would probably be a real pain to maintain.
We do not know provably that these planets all shattered at once in the 100 systems. That’s a hypothesis on my part, and in Part 3 you’ll see how that specific question has evolved for me over the last 6 weeks.
Relative to The Other – I suspect that he is either in direct or indirect control of one of the key parties here: Sansha, the Jove, the Sleepers (he is after all a Sleeper himself), the Sanctuary or the Thukker.
Relative to W477-P I had a :CCP: moment last night. I suspect they simply haven’t updated it since I also don’t think we’ll get in there until a future release. All the planets show in the database as normal planets right now, and if that star exploded like it did, there’s no way that’s true.
Thanks for your reply! If I manage to come up with my own theory crafting I would publish it on reddit and link you there, have to do more research.
CCP is in fact the biggest source of mistakes as soon as we try to explain things as we don’t know if what we find is intended or simply “ups, we didn’t thought about that!”.
As I ‘toldya’ on Twitter I too think we can’t reach Caroline’s Star yet but would simply jump into a great ball of fire and die.
And for now we won’t find a Dyson Sphere anywhere as we know all grafics and objects being in game by simply looking into the SDE.
Dr. Hilen Tukoss is the reason why I am interested to find out at what time the new wormhole systems went shattered. His location was most likely inside a Wolf-Rayet system – but if the suns inside the frig-sized shattered wormholes collapsed into Wolf-Rayets only recently he can’t be there but has to be in an older Wolf-Rayet system.
Again, this could be “ups, we didn’t thought about that!”.
I was really hoping to see CCP reacting to the theories… some breadcrumps to give us a direction.
We desperately need a new Tukoss message.
Well… why not leave my brainstorming here. It’s random thoughts, based on a ‘feeling’.
As I said: I don’t see an emergency situation. Sleeper activity hasn’t increased and Jove didn’t ask for help. Maybe “Anatomy of a Catastrophe” is a wrong asumption. What if all is working as intended? You sacrifice 101 star systems far away to receive an immense power peak. That power is needed to…?
Hm, maybe to open a connection to a cluster of star systems 10000+ lightyears away.
Or a connection to the same cluster in another dimension (there are theories that Unidentified Structures aren’t cloaked but not completely in our dimension).
No, Jove travel back in time to stop their disease before it is occuring is not an option :p
Some Sanshas and Sisters were killed… but we don’t care for our crews when flying huge ships, why would Jove/Sleeper care for us? Wrong place, wrong time. Collateral damage.
Say someone is watching earth, he would see dozens to hundreds of nuclear explosions within the last decades. While from the outside it might look like a catastrophe to him we blow up nuclear weapons for :scientific reasons:.
Everyone is talking about an accident, an incident, a catastrophe, a huge destruction… maybe that’s too obvious to be true.
Now I only have to find a proof… should be easy
Isn’t tinfoil fun? 🙂
Very nice. I like the idea of the static gates shunting fusion fuel from distant stars into the Dyson sphere. There is just one question that came up in my mind: Why would a civilisation that is advanced enough to do stellar engineering and build Dyson spheres choose a fast-burning star that is so close to the end of its life cycle that they end up having to supply it with new material to keep it from burning out?
As noted above, I agree this is the weakest part of the argument. It originally hinged on some things around how a O1 would devolve to an A0, and that generally doesn’t happen in nature, so I had to kludge it a bit. As I mentioned in some other replies, I don’t know if this is because there is a fact I’m missing or because CCP didn’t account for it 6 years ago and just wanted a way to go from “blue large” to “blue small”.
What I postulate here is that when they landed and started the sphere they either A) Didn’t have the best tools to determine precise age, B) Had no choice – they had the solar tech but not the transport tech, or C) Screwed something up in the initial setup or early years that artificially damaged the star – potentially causing the spare two shattered planets (more on that in Part 3).
Do you think this shock wave will be the cause of star gates to fail like a giant emp that leads to “player created star gates” ?
I actually think that will be something else. My guess is we’ll find the way to Jove space, and then find their gate technology is much different/better, and steal and repurpose that tech, needing some sort of EMP pulse to turn it on. I’m terrified of what CCP will have to introduce to have a way to pulse a ship into complete nonfunctionality. EMP Doomsday? O_O
One other thing. Before launch on Sisi, when I thought that Thera was going to be the explosion site, my theory was that the Sisters of EVE had tried to build a new EVE Gate and had it blow up in their face. This could still be what happened, but my opinion at this point is that Thera was an affected site, not the source site.
Friend of mine links me here and I do enjoy the read.
Also, I love your theory. It’s well thought out, but I tend to brainstorm using what you and others write while reading and I was thinking, what if it wasn’t a shot at an Isogen cache. What if Sansha appropriating the mining op for his own use caused a cascade failure effect that took time to not only notice, but build up.
One mining op site modified doesn’t affect much, but over time it could cause problems. Sleepers send drones out to handle it. Then he accesses another and it becomes more imperative for the Sleepers to rectify this situation. Then another and suddenly things go to hell far too quickly for the system to handle and…boom.
Additionally, we (eggers) don’t really know what the drones programming is, or if it’s a person controlling them as we do. We also don’t know if Sansha knows any more than we do. So to him and his group, the drones might have tried relaying information to the effect of “STOP OR YOU’LL DOOM US ALL!” but didn’t understand it.
/sigh. The theorycrafting just won’t stop!!
Anyway, just a couple of thoughts. Oh, and I wonder how or if this is affecting the Other…
In before “Intrepid group of Jovians discovered the Isogen-5 mining operations and substituded 255 units of Layavite for one production run’s feedin.”
Obviously the exact nature of how will probably be a manner of permanent debate, even if “somebody shot the stuff” gets confirmed. It could have been Sansha, the Sisters, the Thukker (who shot it last time), or even the Jove or Sleepers themselves. Relative to The Other, see my response to Samsara above.
I have next to no understanding of Eve’s lore or the level of astrophysics that it apparently takes to understand it.
However this was so well written that I enjoyed and followed the whole thing. Well done sir.
Thanks! Wikipedia is my friend. 🙂
Wow and wow. What an excellent read, both of your story, and of the replies.
There’s way too much ‘clever’ in there so I’ll just add … “anyone want a cup of tea?”
Earl Grey, hot. 🙂
Heh, here’s something I forgot until just now when looking something else up on the Eve Wiki: When we first saw the violent wormhole, it was after the battle of Yulai. What were the Sansha after in Yulai? Core samples from Yulai itself, a Class B0 star.
If I didn’t say this enough when you first posted these, well done! These are excellent!
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